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HansB

As most of you know, I am not a fan of fishing tournaments.

But if you chastise the bad actors (the bass tourney last year right in the heart of smallmouth spawn comes to mind), you also have to praise the good actors with the same enthusiasm.

I was on the lake late last week during the Musky (or is it Muskie?) tournament. What a pleasant contrast to the ill-mannered bass crowd! The musky guys I encountered were without exception well mannered, respectful of other fishermen, respectful of the resource (why don't all tournaments use 'on-site judges'?), and considerate of other users of the lake.

Good job guys. In my book you're welcome back.

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HansB

Terry said:

> Are you listening Sportsmens club???

Hi Terry,

I've seen the SCLV proposal for tournament rules on LV, and it seems fairly balanced to me.

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guideman

Hey Hans,
There was a major effort put forth at the rules meeting, to make sure all of the anglers respected the rights of all non tournament anglers.

Most of the people I talked to during the event were not even aware there was a large tournament on the lake. It says alot to all the anti's that have put us all in the same group, we can share the lake without major problems if everyone works togther, instead of fighting. smile.gif

Are you listening Sportsmens club???

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FrazerBayMan

Terry -

As a member of LVSC, I have to agree that the proposals on the tourneys are completely fair. Pick up the minutes and check them out if you haven't already. I also have to give a thumbs up to the Muskie guys. I was at the Vermilion Club and ran into a couple guys fishing in the tourney, completely great guys! As a 22 year old, it impressed me completely, that a couple of professional fisherman could be pleasent. Fishing on Lake Michigan for two months out of the year, you run into the not-so-pleasent (and not so legal sometimes). But, I agree completely with everything Hans says, Good Job guys!

Peter Wendler
Cedar Rapids, IA
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guideman

As non tournament anglers of cource you think it's fair. Unfortunately you did not see the oringinal proposals, only the watered down version.

By the way Pete, I have been involved with members of the SCLV board, since they came out with the oringinal tourny proposal last winter, so I do know more about them than most. smile.gif

What you don't know, is the "Minnesota Muskie alliance" has been working with the DNR on it's own recommendations for muskie tournaments. They are tougher on their recommendations than the SCLV is.

It's not the proposals for tournaments that I was referring to when I made the comment, it's the atittude of some of the members towards tournament anglers.

Because of one bad tournament last year
we have all been lumped together. There are many very nice people in the tourny fishing fraternity, that care just as much about the resource, as any member of the LVSC.

All I said was that we all need to work together, without prejudice towards any one group of anglers over another. The negitive impact from angling, wether it be tournaments or weekend angling, is a
problem we are all responsible for. smile.gif

Demanding for instance, that all tourny anglers have their boats inspected, yet not requiring it's own members to do the same is rediculus. There are over 1300 members in the SCLV, many of them come from out state and use their boats in other waters.

However the SCLV doesn't see that as a problem....where do you think the rusty crawfish came from?

There were NO tournaments on the Big V when that infestation began,think about all the boats that are put into the Big
V from outstate, during the long summer tourist season. They are not required to have their boats inspected when they arrive.

That's 1000's of boats entering the Big
V every season and who knows where they have been fishing. So to you I say no!
It isn't fair to all anglers, believe it or not, the SCLV isn't perfect guys.

When was the last time that you had your boat inspected???? smile.gif


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Terry "Ace" Sjoberg
aceguideservice.com
Lake Vermilion
Muskies and More.

Pro Staff Member.
Catch-n Tackle.
CKat Custom Muskie rods.
Bearpaws Handpoured Baits
Ohio Pro Lure.
Muskie Nut Tackle.
Big Chimney Muskie Baits.
H20 Muskie Tackle.
Marcum.

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HansB

Terry said:

> Because of one bad tournament last year
> we have all been lumped together.

With all due repect, I don't think that's a fair statement at all, Terry.

In fact, I (a "hard core" SCLV member) started this very message thread specifically to NOT "lump you all together" and to compliment the musky tournament for what looked to me like a well run event. I'm sure I'm not the only SCLV member or officer who feels this way.

And regarding inspection of boats and preventing the spread of exotic species, it may have escaped your notice but the SCLV is heavily involved in this matter.

Examples:

On May 8th they sponsored a training session, taught by a DNR specialist brought in from St Paul, on how to keep a boat free from exotic species and what to look for when the boat leaves or enters the water. Representatives from the resort association were also invited to this session so they could use the training in monitoring boats at their private launch sites.

Then over the Memorial Day weekend, 52 volunteers from SCLV did boat (incoming and departing) inspections at public ramps all around the lake. Additional smaller scale inspection events were scheduled for high volume weekends during the summer.

Every issue to the SCLV newletter contains writeups on this matter, including the current issue which devotes 5 full pages of information on the topic. Clearly this is front-burner mission of SCLV.

It's pretty hard for me to fault them for asking tournament sponsors to have the same level of regard.

And, oh by the way, you ask when was the last time my boat was inspected. It is inspected every time before it is launched, and it is inspected again every time immediately after it is retrieved from the lake. Every time!

Best regards,


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guideman

I hate to burst your bubble Hans,

The SCLV only started their inspections after I brought it to their attention.
They ofcource failed to mention that in all of their news letter releases. smile.gif

Don't get me wrong Hans, it is a step in the right direction however, they do not require their members to have their boats inspected, at any time. Nor is it inforced at the boat ramps when they do the holiday weekend inspection.

You have missed the whole point here Hans, I'm not against having tournament boats inspected. However inspecting 100 boats because they fish tournaments and then letting 5000 boats go without just because the don't, is a joke.

Remember that old saying, "Whats good for the goose is good for the gander"

Despite your obviously enlightened and
fair opinion of tournament anglers your opinion is not shared by many of your fellow members. smile.gif

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Terry "Ace" Sjoberg
aceguideservice.com
Lake Vermilion
Muskies and More.

Pro Staff Member.
Catch-n Tackle.
CKat Custom Muskie rods.
Bearpaws Handpoured Baits
Ohio Pro Lure.
Muskie Nut Tackle.
Big Chimney Muskie Baits.
H20 Muskie Tackle.
Marcum.

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HansB

Good Job, Terry.

I open a thread to give my personal compliments to the participants in the musky tournament and you manage to hijack it and turn it into a jeremiad against others.

Good job, really good job!

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FrazerBayMan

There is a logical end to this conversation. I am a non-tournament angler. Terry is a tournament angler. I disagree with, but respect your opinions... as I am sure you do with mine. There are many great minds who disagree, but respect. The whole beauty of issues is to be able to disagree with one another, and that's whats going on here. Thanks for raising the issue Hans, and thanks Terry for being on the opposite side of the issue, fine job all around.

Peter

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guideman

No need to get all upset Hans, afterall your the one that brought it up in the first place, not me, I just offered my humble opinion. smile.gif

Thanks Pete, we are all allowed to have an opinion, that's what makes america great..... smile.gif

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Terry "Ace" Sjoberg
aceguideservice.com
Lake Vermilion
Muskies and More.

Pro Staff Member.
Catch-n Tackle.
CKat Custom Muskie rods.
Bearpaws Handpoured Baits
Ohio Pro Lure.
Muskie Nut Tackle.
Big Chimney Muskie Baits.
H20 Muskie Tackle.
Marcum.

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