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i'majigger

I'm thinking maybe they need to update the books in fisheries class because the ones they are using do not seem to be working!

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SmellEsox

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SmellEsox

Just learned they changed and now the fry must soak for 6 hours.  Apparently there is not much mortality associated with the soaking process.

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On ‎4‎/‎21‎/‎2016 at 7:44 PM, leech~~ said:

The only way to run a true and thorough test of any process is to change or remove the variables one at a time and document the out comes of each change. Since line fishing has been stopped, Netting would be one of the logical next variable to remove and document. Good luck with that.

I wouldn't consider line fishing stopped at all. Catch and Release, especially with live bait, is the same scenario as previous years. Just you cannot keep any walleye, Netting was more effectively stopped this year, the spearing will likely be far less than line fishing mortality.

How to restore balance to the lake will take time, and likely not please everyone. In some ways, although it would be nearly impossible to enforce, put a minimum size slot with no catch and release. You catch it and get off the lake. At least then you would reduce the mortality rate. I have a hard time understanding how a restricted slot, with unlimited catch and release, and expected mortality rate is helpful.

There are other factors - like the decline in tulibee - that may be a larger factor into what is going on. Could be the walleye find their own young an easy meal substitute.

When you have promotion of Catch and Release promoted as a 'season', and allowing live bait, the message is very mixed. Are you truly concerned about the resource, or people's pocketbooks? Since fishing is allowed all year, and you can use the same methods and baits, you have done nothing in effect. Caching an incidental walleye during crappie fishing on open water is the same as our 'season'.

Tough choices will have to be made, and likely a few mistakes along the way. The lake did not get this way over night, and will take years to get back into balance.

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ifish4food

 

On April 20, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Sculpin said:

At the end of the day/game, what the DNR would LIKE to do is establish a couple of years of base analysis WITHOUT the Indians gill netting, and be able to go back and say: Here is what the outcome is/was without nets, and establish that the nets are in fact harmful. I may not necessarily agree, and  perhaps many others will not either. But its a start, and a little bit different tact. The Tribes have speared about 6,000 LBS thus far. So they may not hit their quota.  A pretty small dent overall. So a good base year at the bottom of the cycle......maybe

They have moved over into Gregg 52'S area, and they are right under his nose....Get em Greg !!!  

Don't we already have data on a couple years with no nets or little netting? 2013 we had ice on opener and 2014 ice out was pretty darn close to opener. Hard to net when there is ice on the lake.  PS posts on the DNR website state there was a strong 2013 year class, but anyone who fishes the lake could tell you that.  I suppose it could be a coincidence.

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leech~~
10 hours ago, ifish4food said:

 

Don't we already have data on a couple years with no nets or little netting? 2013 we had ice on opener and 2014 ice out was pretty darn close to opener. Hard to net when there is ice on the lake.  PS posts on the DNR website state there was a strong 2013 year class, but anyone who fishes the lake could tell you that.  I suppose it could be a coincidence.

Yes, like 50 years worth before 1990! ;)

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delcecchi

When did they make 169 four lanes?  Late 80's?

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ANYFISH2
13 hours ago, ifish4food said:

 

Don't we already have data on a couple years with no nets or little netting? 2013 we had ice on opener and 2014 ice out was pretty darn close to opener. Hard to net when there is ice on the lake.  PS posts on the DNR website state there was a strong 2013 year class, but anyone who fishes the lake could tell you that.  I suppose it could be a coincidence.

You can be assured the limited netting certainly didn't hurt in 2013, however, there is a strong correlation between strong spawns and late ice outs.  With late ice outs the water temps tend to rise more steadily.  Thus limiting the thermal stress on fry and eggs, leading to strong viability of the eggs and fry.

Early ice outs usually see a spike of water temps in the shallows to spawning temps, then, like most Springs the temps go Up and down for the month of April/May.  This puts stress on the eggs/fry and ends up hurting survival rates of the fry.

So yes I my opinion, the 2013 year class is both aided by limited netting as well as coincidence.  My question though is, why did that year class recruit so well past 1 yr vs the years prior?

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2 hours ago, ANYFISH2 said:

So yes I my opinion, the 2013 year class is both aided by limited netting as well as coincidence.  My question though is, why did that year class recruit so well past 1 yr vs the years prior?

Two factors I can think of...

1. Because there was a huge perch boom around that same time which took the pressure off the little walleye, years prior the walleye (and other predators) were eating anything available due to baitfish shortage. 

2. The number of bigger fish in the lake was starting to decline (hooking mortality, fish kept, old age), also reducing pressure.

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3 hours ago, Redlineracer12 said:

Two factors I can think of...

1. Because there was a huge perch boom around that same time which took the pressure off the little walleye, years prior the walleye (and other predators) were eating anything available due to baitfish shortage. 

2. The number of bigger fish in the lake was starting to decline (hooking mortality, fish kept, old age), also reducing pressure.

I think your hit it square!  

These reasons, I do believe are what contributed to the decline the most. Completely agree.

I am afraid we will protect this year class and 2014's so much we may end up repeating our follies.  Plus we need to find a way to improve the forage base in Mille Lacs.  How we do it, is a great discussion if you ask me.

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leech~~
3 hours ago, ANYFISH2 said:

I think your hit it square!

These reasons, I do believe are what contributed to the decline the most. Completely agree.

I am afraid we will protect this year class and 2014's so much we may end up repeating our follies.  Plus we need to find a way to improve the forage base in Mille Lacs.  How we do it, is a great discussion if you ask me.

I'm not sure how people think there is a forage problem when just about every hole that I have drilled the last few years ice fishing I can play with mini Perch all day. Once I was so bored I played a little game of having to catch 50 micro Perch at a hole before I moved since it was so dead. And I didn't feel like giving up and driving all the way home. Moved 5-6 times. :crazy:

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ANYFISH2

That's a great thing, leech~!  I hope it stays that way.  The thing is, it wasn't that way, not so many years ago.  Plus riding excess spawning biomass through most of the 2000's those little perch didn't make it, presumably because they got eaten.  There hasn't been much of a perch fishery for a good decade plus, except for a up year here or there. If the perch, shiner, and tulibee populations can't keep all of the walleye, northern, bass, burbot, and Muskie mouths feed, little walleyes become the entrée.

Of course all speculation on my part, just my "educated":blink: guess.

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leech~~
42 minutes ago, ANYFISH2 said:

That's a great thing, leech~!  I hope it stays that way.  The thing is, it wasn't that way, not so many years ago.  Plus riding excess spawning biomass through most of the 2000's those little perch didn't make it, presumably because they got eaten.  There hasn't been much of a perch fishery for a good decade plus, except for a up year here or there. If the perch, shiner, and tulibee populations can't keep all of the walleye, northern, bass, burbot, and Muskie mouths feed, little walleyes become the entrée.

Of course all speculation on my part, just my "educated":blink: guess.

I think also some people forget that Jumbo "breeder" Perch are in the nets with Walleye. You never hear much about that but I was there when they brought in their nets and saw it with my own eye's. :(

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Sculpin

In addition, although jumbo perch have always been part of the "by catch" in the nets, this was a year when the Tribes specifically targeted perch by gill netting. A couple of Wi. bands were still netting the north end for perch on May 10th.  Not sure the total harvest numbers are in yet, but if you dig a bit they should pop up. 

I would have to believe they utilized a smaller net mesh size to target perch, so then small walleyes become the 'by catch"

They also had a net lost or stolen on the north end around the 10th. They dragged for it for a couple hours, but it was never recovered.

      

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