Guests - If You want access to member only forums on FM. You will gain access only when you Sign-in or Sign-Up on Fishing Minnesota.

It's easy - LOOK UPPER right menu.

  • Announcements

    • Rick

      Members Only Fluid Forum View   08/08/2017

      Fluid forum view allows members only to get right to the meat of this community; the topics. You can toggle between your preferred forum view just below to the left on the main forum entrance. You will see three icons. Try them out and see what you prefer.   Fluid view allows you, if you are a signed up member, to see the newest topic posts in either all forums (select none or all) or in just your favorite forums (select the ones you want to see when you come to Fishing Minnesota). It keeps and in real time with respect to Topic posts and lets YOU SELECT YOUR FAVORITE FORUMS. It can make things fun and easy. This is especially true for less experienced visitors raised on social media. If you, as a members want more specific topics, you can even select a single forum to view. Let us take a look at fluid view in action. We will then break it down and explain how it works in more detail.   The video shows the topic list and the forum filter box. As you can see, it is easy to change the topic list by changing the selected forums. This view replaces the traditional list of categories and forums.   Of course, members only can change the view to better suit your way of browsing.   You will notice a “grid” option. We have moved the grid forum theme setting into the main forum settings. This makes it an option for members only to choose. This screenshot also shows the removal of the forum breadcrumb in fluid view mode. Fluid view remembers your last forum selection so you don’t lose your place when you go back to the listing. The benefit of this feature is easy to see. It removes a potential barrier of entry for members only. It puts the spotlight on topics themselves, and not the hierarchical forum structure. You as a member will enjoy viewing many forums at once and switching between them without leaving the page. We hope that fluid view, the new functionality is an asset that you enjoy .
Sign in to follow this  
vman11

Rainy River Sturgeon Article in the Fargo Forum

Recommended Posts

DTro

Huh, I could’ve sworn I said the same thing about the sturgeon size in another thread and was chastised by Fisky. winkgrin

Maybe once or twice a year for the past 10 years isn’t enough to go by, but to me the average size fish has clearly gotten bigger and like the article says, the goal that used be 60 for a lot of people, is now 70. We didn’t catch as many over 60 this year vs last year (3/7), but I would say our average was right up there and the weather kind of keep us off the water longer this year.

All I know is that is sure is an awesome fishery and I hope everyone understands how unique it is and does not take it for granted and/or start to go overboard on the harvest (I seen a lot more kept this year than any other years).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
vman11

I too noticed the keeper fish numbers this season. And with the increased pressure due to the growing fishery it will probably inevitably increase.

The DNR and EPA have really helped the sturgeon the past 40 years and I'm sure the DNR along with Ontario MNR will ensure the numbers stay in check through these surveys. I will be cool to see their survey results.

To me a smoked fish is a smoked fish - there might be suddle differences, but I bet I'd have a hard time determining if I'm eating sucker, carp, tullibee or sturgeon if put in a blind taste test. For that reason, I let those old, slow growing dinosaurs go and smoke the less desired, faster growing fish. That 50 that hits the smoker could turn into somebody's PB 65 in a number of years.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
fiskyknut

Chastised, LOL Darren !!

Me tinks the 1 per season limit which was implemented just a few years back to address the growing popularity of the Rainy's Sturgeonfish and potetial for harvest number increase, and the reletively few people that actually keep them won't harm there recovery one bit.

For sure we are gonna see a few more kept as we see more and more anglers I'd assume, just like we see more and more pics and tales each year of big ones with the mass influx of tourists !! First timers and the novelty of keeping/eating one is evident as I saw mention here on the web of a few kept by people who made their first ever Sturgeonfish trip.

I won't get into a tastebud sensitivity debate with anyone but I have eaten alot of different smoked fishes and them Sturgeonfish are at the top of the heep, right up there with King Salmon and perhaps better when they are prepped and prepared correctly, which is very important with a Sturgeonfish. I can't say I have ever had a smoked Sucker that I would even consider good eating especially compared to a Sturgeonfish or a Salmon. Whitefish far superior to a Tulibee in my book. I've never had smoked Carp and don't plan on it anytime soon as I don't even like to touch them nasties !! For sure some folks are better at doing these fishes up just right than are others and this could play into the quality of finished product of any fish species coming out of a smoker as well.

I remember some years back here on FM one of those all knowing newspaper guys saying that any Smoked fish and smoked skunk taste the same but I am fairly certain that is not so, though I've never tried smoked skunk either.

The Sturgeonfish are thriving and the limited harvest we have now should'nt slow 'em down one bit. For sure iffin the dnr folks think harvest numbers to high they'll limit it even more or shut it down all together but I don't think that'll be the case anytime soon.

Always cool to see the results of the dnr's survey work up here no matter the fish type. The dnr must publish harvest registration numbers somewhere eh Darren ? It'd be interesting to see that figure for the past few years.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Ballyhoo

I know this will cause a stir and people will probably be mad at me but oh well.

There has to be a point where the population of the Sturgeon starts to affect the walleye population. I have heard locals talk about it. The sturgeon being a bottom feeder where the Walleyes spawn can have a negative affect on the Walleye year class of spawning if the Sturgeon suck up all the Walleye eggs.

I know the Sturgeon is funner to catch than a Walleye but if the Walleye fishery takes a hit that whole area will suffer.

I have heard from old timers that when the lake was at its peak for Sturgeon population back in the early 1900's, the Walleye population was not much. After they overfished the Sturgeon, the Walleye population took off. I have no way of proving this, I was not around back then but I have heard it. Whether it is just talk, I don't know.

The point of this is, I hope the DNR are looking at the big picture and what the ramifications are of a large Sturgeon population. Whether they open up the keep slot or allow more than one fish to keep the population manageable.

I know there will be a few out there that will be mad at me for writing this because they target Sturgeon and don't come up here to fish Walleye but the fact is Sturgeon fishing can't support the LOW resort business. It has been a good add to the spring business for the resorts when Walleye season is closed but don't see it being much more than that.

Just being the devil's advocate.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
fishuhalik

Noted. I don't think the sturg populations are even CLOSE to what they were "back in the day," both in overall numbers and size.

With that said, I get real nervous when people try to regulate Mother Nature into telling what's best for a lake, aka Mille Lacs and what I fear is happening on Winni. Seems like we think we're doing a great job initially, then everything just goes to pot. Not to say that no intervention is the answer, but when we try to change the entire ecobalance of these lakes, we're walking on thin ice.

Just my .02.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
DTro

I sent a message to Dennis Topp (referenced in story) to see if he had any numbers from this year's harvest.

Fisky- You know I was just needling ya. grin I understand there is a balance to stuff you read and see on the interwebz and what really happens day to day. Some of the issues I'm concerned about are likely directly related to the promotion and hype that I have personally contributed to here. I get that, and there is no going back now.

As far as Sturgeon competing with Walleyes (for either forage or spawning)? I'd really have to defer to what the fishery folks have to say about that. I do know that its clear that walleye is King in MN so I can understand why there would be concern for that.

I'm the kind of guy that takes advantage of what is offered to me at any particular time. Whether it be a world class cat fishery in Manitoba, a once in a lifetime crappie boom on URL, or a Smallmouth bite that rivals anything else on ML, I know it won't last forever (nothing ever does), so get there while you can. This is how I've treated the Sturgeon fishing on LOW.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Ballyhoo

Also want to make sure that I am not trying to belittle or degrade anyone for fishing for them. There is no other fight like it around here. Just wanted to bring up the point of what happens when their population gets too big.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
fiskyknut

I like your post there Ballyhoo as it does address a concern of many local anglers.

Kinda surprised no one has 'assaulted' you yet ! lol.

Darren I know you were just a ribbing me eh ! I'm guilty of said offense as well !!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
RainyRat

I'm with ya too Ballyhoo. I think there are 'a lot more people in your boat' than you think!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
vman11

Does a bottom feeder naturally eat fish eggs? Just a question, I honestly don't know what a lake sturgeons main forage is, and whether they or other bottom feeders like suckers gorge on fish eggs for the few weeks they are available each spring.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
iland99

Walleye population on the Winnebago chain of lakes in Wisconsin seems to be doing just fine. They have a healthier population of sturgeon there than we do in Rainy.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
DTro

I did receive a response from the MNDNR in regards to harvest levels this spring.

The number is currently at 126 and on the low side of average. In fact this spring was the lowest harvest level in 5 years.

I couldn't have been more wrong. grin

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Ballyhoo

With the reports that I heard and seeing how many were out there, I sure would have thought this year would have been better. It didn't get shut off like last year with runoff and I heard of a lot of fish being caught.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
fishuhalik

I think the reason there isn't more harvest is because of the CPR mentality that guys like dtro have spread. Guys are FINALLY starting to realize that these fish (and any other fish) fight a lot better when they're still swimming in water as opposed to grease.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
FshBloodRiverMud

In our group of 9, 6 of them didn't have tags.

The 3 of us in my boat could've filled all their tags... But we tossed them all back. wink

I'd rather see them swim away

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
MnCatGuy

Anyone know how many sturgeon tags the DNR can sell per season on the RR or St. Croix? Is there even a cap?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
FshBloodRiverMud

1 per year statewide.

BTW you'll have a tough time filling a tag on the Croix...2 week harvest period and it has to be over 60".

If you get one over 60" release it please, very few each year are pulled bigger than 60" on the croix.

I believe on the rainy it needs to be between 45-50", a fairly common size.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
MnCatGuy

I should have been more clear. I'm wondering if the state has a limit of tags they can sell each season or if any licensed angler has the availability to purchase one during the harvest season.

I don't buy a tag personally - catch and release for me. I'm just wondering if slots/seasons and the purchase of a tag are the only things that come into play to regulate harvest.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
FshBloodRiverMud

I should have been more clear. I'm wondering if the state has a limit of tags they can sell each season or if any licensed angler has the availability to purchase one during the harvest season.

I don't buy a tag personally - catch and release for me. I'm just wondering if slots/seasons and the purchase of a tag are the only things that come into play to regulate harvest.

It's like deer hunting. Buy a ticket, get a chance to keep a fish.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
DTro

No there is not a limit of tags that they sell. Its not a system like the Sturgeon spearing in WI in which they shut down the season when the quota is met. I’m sure if popularity in harvest grew to a number in which they were concerned, then they would adjust as needed. There is a fairly large group of regulars that will fish the St Croix in the fall and there was a push for the MNDNR to extend the season which they did, however the harvest restriction was tightened quite a bit. Matter of fact, I’ll be honest, if you want to keep a St Croix Sturgeon, its not an easy feat considering the short season and the size needed to keep. I bet the number of tags filled last year was under 5. The 60+” fish are out there for sure (I usually catch a couple each year), but mostly it comes down to square footage of water and the number of boats targeting them. The popularity has grown quite a bit, but relatively speaking nowhere near the Rainy in terms of pressure or fish population density. I will say though that I’ve had several 50+ fish nights on the Croix. The average size is about 35” though.

It will be very interesting to see how the new regs allowing year round catch and release fish goes. I’m very excited to try some early spring and late fall runs to the Croix!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

Sign in to follow this  



  • Posts

    • Chris-Stanton
      added many new features and options
    • MNoutdoors99
      Hey I am planning on ice fishing on Lake Minnetonka this winter with a friend and I am using a snowmobile to get to the lake from the trails. I would enter onto the lake in Orono off the Luce line trail and end up in Stubbs bay. I was reading on other forums saying avoid the channels but it seems to be the only way to get around the lake to other bays especially since I am on a snowmobile. I was wondering if they eventually are safe enough to hold up a snowmobile in mid-late January, and if going through them faster helps possibly? I would like to fish around the Smith's bay area and the only way I can do that is going through channels. I know Lake Minnetonka can be sketchy with ice thickness and I don't want to end up through the ice, thoughts? Thanks.   Jim
    • delcecchi
      The DSL service is great since they ran the fiber down 24 a few years ago.   I was presuming that the poster didn't have that option if they were considering satellite.     AccessMN is another possibility if they are still around.  
    • Tony S
      OK I will post a report just on the offhand chance that someone else still reads these things.  Fished at Birchdale afternoon of Saturday 10/21 and morning of 10/22.  Fishing was good Saturday for keeper sized fish, nothing big but caught 29 fish in 6 hours,  mostly nice keepers 14 to 19 inches long and not too many dinks.  Sunday morning fishing was slow and then it got super windy so pulled the plug early and went home.  Jigging in shallower spots, could not troll crankbait because of debris on line.  Others had mixed success.  Shiners were around.  
    • Troy Smutka
      10/22/17     Hunted water in central MN from a boat blind both days. Despite gusty south winds one day and temps not exactly October-like, new ducks were around that moved in during a cold, clear night with a west wind during the week. Calendar migrators from the Dakotas and southern Canada. Saw eleven species and harvested ten--typical late October mixed bag. A mixed, medium-sized decoy spread with a crosswind on a point with the sun behind us was the ticket. An Avery Quick Set blind with fast grass mats and two Lucky Duck HD spinners rounded out the set-up. Subtle mallard quacks, chuckles, and drake whistles mixed with goose clucks, pintail and wigeon whistles locked up birds nice and close--no loud contest calling. Cold weather and West and NW winds this week should get a bunch of new birds in--probably a mixed bag of species still. We saw or heard eight flocks of specklebellies migrating on Sunday. Look for a show about one of these days of hunting on my You Tube channel (Fishing and Hunting the North Country) by later in the week.  Good luck, and I will see you out there somewhere.
    • Cliff Wagenbach
      I pulled my boat for the winter today. Sure hated to have to do that, but have tons of stuff to do to get ready for the fall, winter stuff! Cliff
    • MinnowBuckets
    • redlabguy
      Good day!  Keep the reports coming! We’re islanders and had to pull out a week ago. On my last day out by myself I boated a thick 28” walleye to close my season. We brought filets Home so my old fisherman, 95 year old dad could enjoy a good fry,  I still enjoy reading about the lake so keep reporting. Thanks, Dick
    • eyeguy 54
    • Ray Berg
      The wife and I were up to L O W  for whole week. Great weather, good fishing and fun time. Was able to fish 7 days split up between Morris point, Long point and the river. For me Long point was the better bite. May have seen a couple members of outdoors Mn on Tuesday out of LP. Let me know if I'm right. Also met member from Wisc. at Morris point( real good guy) Anyway didn't seem to matter much what color jig caught them on every color with frozen shiner. Some days were better then others but always caught fish. Ate several meals of fish and brought fish home. Also caught a 14 in perch that I brought into taxidermist. Plan on going back at least one more time this fall . ( Too good not to).