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delcecchi

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magicstix Enthusiast

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Might been TV that said it was 1 lb'ers. Refilling was mentioned in one of the stories, maybe news jumped to conculsions.

Not just the fire hazard but propane is cold and leave a heck of a freeze burn.

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Curious minds want to know, has anybody ever shot one those one pounders with a rifle?? smile Always wanted to try it but didn't want to end up on the Darwin awards

Yup, and the earth shattering kaboom was really stinkin cool.

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The fire erupted in the attached garage at 2526 Elmcroft Drive S.W. when the leaking propane contacted a heater in the garage as the man was working with portable propane cylinders, getting ready for an ice fishing excursion, Belau said. The flash fire quickly involved the leaking cylinder itself, accelerated by the increasing flow of propane gas.

This is a quote from the article. where is the part that says there was refilling involved.

I have never tried to refill a 1 pounder, I bought one of the adapters years ago just in case I needed it but never had a reason to use it. I have had brand new tanks leak, like everyone said, when I removed a partial tank from a stove or lantern. Glad no one was hurt.

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The topic title is appropriate so, I'd like to question something about the dangers of propane. With all the negative talk about refilling one pounders (and I'm neutral about refilling one pounders), I've recently read discussion threads about freezing gas regulators. I've read suggestions to...

1. Place a power generator next to the tank(s) with the hot exhaust pointing towards the tank(s). Some included placing a cover (blanket/tarp) over both to heat the area.

2. An idea to duct the exhaust from a furnace into an enclosed LP tank enclosure.

Aren't both of the above ideas looking for trouble? I have yet to read (in the other discussions) anyone say the above are dangerous, which I think are more dangerous than refilling one pounders, in a safe location. Am I missing something?

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The fire erupted in the attached garage at 2526 Elmcroft Drive S.W. when the leaking propane contacted a heater in the garage as the man was working with portable propane cylinders, getting ready for an ice fishing excursion, Belau said. The flash fire quickly involved the leaking cylinder itself, accelerated by the increasing flow of propane gas.

This is a quote from the article. where is the part that says there was refilling involved.

I have never tried to refill a 1 pounder, I bought one of the adapters years ago just in case I needed it but never had a reason to use it. I have had brand new tanks leak, like everyone said, when I removed a partial tank from a stove or lantern. Glad no one was hurt.

I talked to the lady lives next door to the house. As I recall that is what she said, or maybe it was on tv. The next day there was a 20 and a 30 or maybe it was a 40 sitting all scorched in the driveway. Someone dragged them out there. Maybe the firefighters investigating. Don't remember if there were any pounders.

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Yeah I'm sure he wasn't really filling those empty one pound cylinders. wink

On a side note it sounds like he was real lucky he didn't kill somebody like the last guy the old boy who killed his wife while refilling 1 pound cylinders to save a buck.

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The topic title is appropriate so, I'd like to question something about the dangers of propane. With all the negative talk about refilling one pounders (and I'm neutral about refilling one pounders), I've recently read discussion threads about freezing gas regulators. I've read suggestions to...

1. Place a power generator next to the tank(s) with the hot exhaust pointing towards the tank(s). Some included placing a cover (blanket/tarp) over both to heat the area.

2. An idea to duct the exhaust from a furnace into an enclosed LP tank enclosure.

Aren't both of the above ideas looking for trouble? I have yet to read (in the other discussions) anyone say the above are dangerous, which I think are more dangerous than refilling one pounders, in a safe location. Am I missing something?

Both of those are extremely dangerous, any heating of propane tanks is not good, the valve on the back is a relief valve and propane expands rapidly when heated, meaning there could be a buildup of pressure and the relief valve could vent a cloud of propane in an enclosed area, if there is any ignition source (heater, lights, electrical circuits) things could get out of hand quickly

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Curious minds want to know, has anybody ever shot one those one pounders with a rifle?? smile Always wanted to try it but didn't want to end up on the Darwin awards!!

I've seen many of all sizes shot and they are completely uneventful.... until you provide an ignition source nearby. I saw about a 60 acre field go up in flames as a result of that. Needless to say, the fire department wasn't to pleased and handed that individual a very large bill.

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I talked to the lady lives next door to the house. As I recall that is what she said, or maybe it was on tv. The next day there was a 20 and a 30 or maybe it was a 40 sitting all scorched in the driveway. Someone dragged them out there. Maybe the firefighters investigating. Don't remember if there were any pounders.

OK, I'm confused by that statement! crazy

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kind of related kind of not.. but I like using these on my canister regardless of refill or newly store purchased. full-22855-41256-921e_12.jpg

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've seen many of all sizes shot and they are completely uneventful.... until you provide an ignition source nearby.

Mythbusters did it with a mini Gatling gun and incendiary rounds.. grin

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I've noticed in the past, if I've removed a partially empty 1 lb. cylinder from a lantern or camp stove, more often then not, when I go to use the remaining propane in the cylinder it's empty. These little buggers don't seem to hold the gas for very long. Perhaps it's always best to leave them screwed onto whatever they are attached to and use them up completely before removal?

I know I've removed partial tanks in the past and found them leaking almost immediately.

Also had a 20 lb. cylinder this fall that just wouldn't stop leaking. With the tank only half full, and the valve shut tightly, it would still off-gas a little puff of propane every minute or so. I just ended up putting that one outside, but I've always stored my other tanks indoors. I mean honestly, where else should I go store them for personal use? I don't own an explosion proof cabinet that I can set over by the neighbor's garage! blush

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fsnrod Community Regular

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I did not see any place in that article that said he was refilling 1 lb or any other tank he might have been unhooking or hooking up a twenty lb tank.

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Hoey Experienced

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Here is the, from what I was told, result of a 1 pounder removed from a grill or a cooker that leaked.

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kind of related kind of not.. but I like using these on my canister regardless of refill or newly store purchased. full-22855-41256-921e_12.jpg where did you get those?

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I have no idea if the guy used or refilled 1#ers.

I will say this, for what my Canvas Craft insulated house, MarCum flasher, Marcum camera and all the other gear in my portable costs, the last thing I would do is refill a 1#er and use it. Seen to many bad fires in portables from refilling these to save a few bucks.

I will; spend the extra and use 5# tanks and forget about the refilling of the little ones, my gear is too spendy to take that unneeded chance. Not really saving all that much.

I see the brass looking caps above in one post and if I have to buy a different cap for those tanks to be safe, I am better off without them.

I agree Dave, no way would I ever place the exhaust from the furnace in the fishhouse onto my propane tanks or any type heat by the tank.

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delcecchi Grand Master

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I did not see any place in that article that said he was refilling 1 lb or any other tank he might have been unhooking or hooking up a twenty lb tank.

There were other articles, and I talked to next door neighbor. He was getting ready to go ice fishing the next day. Something was leaking and he ran inside to get extinguisher. When he opened the door the garage was engulfed. If he was hooking up a 20 pound tank, the valve would have been closed. Or he would have closed it as soon as he perceived the leak. Only one thing fits what happened.... refilling 1 lb cylinders.

But you do what you are comfortable with.

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Here is the, from what I was told, result of a 1 pounder removed from a grill or a cooker that leaked.

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That one sure has an open, airy floor plan.
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