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harvey lee

Rainy river boundry question

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James_R

I am glad the majority of the fisher people do not have the attitude you seem to have.

Maybe the CBP will see you and then when you cross back over, they can come and visit you.

Why not just follow the rules and not have to worry about what could or may happen and enjoy the day on the river.

You can go ahead and tempt fate but sooner or later, you will cross with your minnows and will get tagged.

Harvey, CBSA told you what the rules are and for some bizarre reason you cling to the belief that crossing the line is immoral or might result in some kind of showdown with the authorities. It's an international waterway designated for use by both Canadians and Americans for travel purposes. Since I don't typically fish on the Canadian side without an Ontario license and Canadian approved bait I'm not really worried about getting tagged for some Canadian offense while I drive my boat up and down the river on either side as is my right to do so. It seems kind of odd that a guy like yourself who repeatedly advocates for more and more laws for everybody else seems so scared and weary of LEOs. DHS can come and visit me anytime while I fish on the river. I would be considered a USC who never technically left the U.S. since I never made entry into a foreign country. I'd probably talk to them about how good the fishing was, ask them if they wanted to join me for a cigar and tell them all about the suspicious looking older gentleman I saw hugging the shoreline shaking every time he grabbed a minnow.

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harvey lee

Harvey, CBSA told you what the rules are and for some bizarre reason you cling to the belief that crossing the line is immoral or might result in some kind of showdown with the authorities.

I would say that crossing the line may be immoral but it is against the law in Ontario if you have booze or minnows in your boat.

You can go across all you choose but I would rather not have to debate with a mountie, CBP or CO, thier rights to stop me. I just want to go fishing, not break any laws and have to deal with a questional area in the law.

Guy I knew that got stopped last year paid $1,000 in fines for going across. $500 of that fine was for having a tad over 500 minnows in his boat. I know, they cannot stop you and on and on but reality is this, he called his dad for a credit card number so he could pay the fines. I do not know exaclty how the total amount of fines broke down but he was required to pay.

Yes, I know, he should never have let them stop him and just kept driving.

Seems to me it is alot simpler to just follow the rules and laws.

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jwmiller33

So I take it you have never driven your boat through the gap out into the lake?

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Fish Head

Interesting conversation. I've always been one to follow the rules and not tempt fate, but I've went through the gap with minnows countless times. Sometimes in navigating the river, you really have to cross that line. I'll stay on the US side when I can, and even though I have minnows, I'll continue to cross the imaginary line when I have to.

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Fish Head

Yes I would say make sure you stay closer to the US shore if you don't have a Canadian licence. Sometimes the US side is so crowded its hard to travel without getting pushed to the imaginary line. What I would like to know is why they don't mark or remove those old bridge pylons I almost cooked my boat on up there. A nice row of them 6" below the water line.

Whoa... Where are these pylons?

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BartmanMN

[Whoa... Where are these pylons?

Just a little west of Birchdale, almost straight out from the submergerged boulder closer to the Canadian side there is a string of 4-5. They stuck up about 4 inches out of the water the last 2 Falls with the low water, but I could see them as being under in the Spring. You definitely would not want to hit those things.

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Just a little west of Birchdale, almost straight out from the submergerged boulder closer to the Canadian side there is a string of 4-5. They stuck up about 4 inches out of the water the last 2 Falls with the low water, but I could see them as being under in the Spring. You definitely would not want to hit those things.

Wow, this is news to me. I've been there in high and low water and never seen them.

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MWard4400

I have fished those areas for over 20 year, I know where the boulder is about a mile west of Birchdale on the south side of the river, but I have never seen rocks sticking out on the north side, there is a sandbar in front of the house on the Canada side and it gets pretty shallow over there but never any rocks. Sure your in the right spot? or maybe it was a sunken log at the time you seen it?

Mark

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harvey lee

So I take it you have never driven your boat through the gap out into the lake?

Whe I have sturgeon fished that area, I have always stayed way to the left to avoid that line. I would guess when the water is low, one may not go where I have gone.

It has been a few years but I believe I was always on the US side. least that is how I remember it.

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BartmanMN

I have fished those areas for over 20 year, I know where the boulder is about a mile west of Birchdale on the south side of the river, but I have never seen rocks sticking out on the north side, there is a sandbar in front of the house on the Canada side and it gets pretty shallow over there but never any rocks. Sure your in the right spot? or maybe it was a sunken log at the time you seen it?

Mark

Yep, I'm sure. They are wood, not rocks. They were there this past November and the November of 2011. They would be a little towards birchdale from the big boulder. If you've fished in the Fall the last 2 years, I don't know how you couldn't see them.

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MWard4400

I think I know the log you are talking about, it was as big as a telephone pole, and if you took a line to the rock 1 mile west of Birchdale landing it's just about 300 yards from the landing, I cant tell you how many times I almost ran over it.... I think its gone now?

Mark

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Fish Head

Now you have me nervous. I've been there many times, but in my mind I can't picture the rock you're talking about. Is this pylon 300 yards from Birchdale landing? Is it one pylon or several? Is the pylon/pylons on the US side?

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MWard4400

At 300-500 yards west of Birchdale there was a log floating and pointing down river for several years. At about 1 mile there is a rock on the USA side I would guess about 75 feet from the south shore, it is not on my pro lake master chip, it usually is about a foot out of the water. It is just as you get past the wide spot to the west of the Birchdale landing, or about a mile

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MAdDuckiceroads

Someone should mark these someway. Maybe a laundry detergent bottle or something. Hate to see anyone wreck their trip or worse…

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Fish Head

Someone should mark these someway. Maybe a laundry detergent bottle or something. Hate to see anyone wreck their trip or worse…

Or worse is right... If you hit one of those that are just a few inches under the water at 30+mph, you could sink your boat and suffer serious injury, if not even die in that cold water. I'm not trying to be dramatic, but that is a serious problem there. I don't even want to think about how many times I've went past there, unaware of this.

Is it just one pylon or are there several? Does anyone know?

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Fish Head

Just a thought... by any wild chance does anyone have the GPS coordinates for these pylons? When I see a hazard in the water thats not marked on my chip, I always put a skull and crossbones waypoint.

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srj

I've fished the river for a long time (since the river was seriously dirty and the wait on weekends was just a few minutes to launch, yeah, I'm old) and have spent lots of time on the Canada side. I've seen many U.S. guys get pinched, sometimes having to follow the Canadian LEO's boat out of sight...bad deal I'm sure. I've mentioned to dozens of anglers over the years they are over the line and it always amazes us how many people don't know the regs. Or figure it's ok to fudge a little or a lot. We were drifting not far from a boat getting checked well over the line with the boater arguing with the warden. The warden asked the guy "If you fell out of your boat, what shore would you try to swim to"? THe guy quit arguing and his crew got tickets for no license and minnows. When there is a brisk south wind, business is especially good for the LEO's. I've gotten to know a couple of them from getting checked and they have always seemed pleasant and respectful.

A few times an immigration guy has been in the boat with the warden. Not sure, but I expect the fines for illegally entering is stiffer than fish violations.

Fishing is great on both sides....it isn't worth it to tempt fate.

Wonder how long it well be before our Border Patrol gets involved. If you entered Canada illegally, unless you are carrying your passport/card, you are entering the U.S. illegally too.

Sure hope we get a few days on the river this year.

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BartmanMN

Fish, the the string of ones that I am referring to I would consider to be in Canadian water, so if you are on the the US side, you wouldn't hit them. I have seen one simliar on the US side that had a fresh gouge on it from someones boat, but I could not pinpoint that one.

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MWard4400

Best guess where the rock is at.

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James_R

Wonder how long it well be before our Border Patrol gets involved. If you entered Canada illegally, unless you are carrying your passport/card, you are entering the U.S. illegally too.

You don't make entry into Canada while navigating the Rainy river unless you touch dry land or dock on their side. You also don't need a passport to fish on the river. BP can monitor the river all they want to but their enforcement options are limited unless you dock or go ashore on the Ontario side. If a fisherman driving his truck northbound gets refused entry into Canada due to a DUI or some other type of criminal history he technically never left the U.S. since he wasn't admitted into Canada. If someones boat drifts over to the Canadian side and they are stupid enough to just sit there while a Canadian game warden approaches their boat then they probably deserve to be fined. Ah... hey you Americans!! can you just stay put for a little bit and not move your boat 10 feet so I can come over there and write you a bunch of really expensive tickets? Please?

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Wall-e Warrior

I will be heading up to the Birchdale area in a couple weeks for my first Rainy River trip. Just how congested does the river get? I will be there Friday and Saturday, April 5 & 6. Are there times that the only way to move up or down stream is by crossing over to the Canadian side? The IDO Fishing show o n Rainy a month ago made it look like there were just a few boats on the river.

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eyesonly

"The IDO Fishing show on Rainy a month ago made it look like there were just a few boats on the river.

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maxpower117

I will be heading up to the Birchdale area in a couple weeks for my first Rainy River trip. Just how congested does the river get? I will be there Friday and Saturday, April 5 & 6. Are there times that the only way to move up or down stream is by crossing over to the Canadian side? The IDO Fishing show o n Rainy a month ago made it look like there were just a few boats on the river.

This year, if it works out, the river is going to nuts. Near impassable on the US side in some places. There will be no more than 1 or 2 landings open, so every aspect will be absolute mayhem.

Good luck.

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elusivecrappiecatcher

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This year, if it works out, the river is going to nuts. Near impassable on the US side in some places. There will be no more than 1 or 2 landings open, so every aspect will be absolute mayhem.

Key is to bring a set of rollar blades with so if you have to mark a mile down the road, just strap them on and consider it a workout for the day lol! Thats how I will roll!

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Fish Head

Key is to bring a set of rollar blades with so if you have to mark a mile down the road, just strap them on and consider it a workout for the day lol! Thats how I will roll!

That's not too far off and not a bad idea. Since there will be such a short season and few ramps open, it will be absoutely crazy this year.

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