How long before Gardy is gone?

[pikestabber]

Knowing the Twins it will probably be Marquis, Liriano, and Pavano with an additional overpayment for Livan Hernandez.

[eyebenband]

Won't about 23M come from not re-signing Capps, Pavano and Baker??

2 Mil from not resigning Casilla too.

[greebs]

What's everyone thinking nearly a year later from last post? I think if this were any other team he would have been canned after last year and if not then for sure by now this season but I would be surprised if he doesn't make it thru the season due to twins reputation of seldom firing mgrs. if they continue with the bad play I would hope the majority of coaching staff are not back next year, particularly gardy and Anderson.

As a side note I wonder how many mgrs have survived 2.5 seasons with the record twins have had? I'm guessing very few. He very well could resurface with another team and have success again as a mgr but it seems obvious twins are in need of a major shakeup and they can't fire the players. There are plenty of suspects to share the blame of this teams failures and don't think they will get better overnight with new coaching staff but this combination of coaches and players isn't even close to getting the turnaround started.

[blue_healer_guy]

9yrs to long already. but am sick of giving reasons cuz they go unheard.

[Cicada]

"the problem I see with gardy is that he's showing that he's not the kind of mgr that is going to develop the young talent."

A major league manager's job is not to develop the talent. That should have happened in the minor leagues.

"He's showing again this year just like last year that he's not great at getting the lesser talent to perform well and there are few signs of improvement."

You might want to consider that he is, maybe, getting more out of that lesser talent than most other major league managers would. If these guys come up and can't be put in a situation where they should succeed, then they are not ready for this level. Sometimes that is forced by circumstances such as injuries. Gibson is a good example. A lot of internet experts wanted him called up at the start of the year because he was a number one draft choice. He hadn't been consistently successful at triple-a. How is he supposed to be the answer at the major league level? Most of the teams in this league must develop that talent in the minors and work them through the system. Very few can afford to buy their wins, like the Yankees.

[toughguy]

I think odds are pretty good Gardy will be back next year. The Pohlad's haven't fired a manager in 26 years. Will Gardy walk? I think the odds of that actually might be higher. Take a year off and start again with a team that spends $$$.

[Scott M]

It doesn't look good for the front office or manager that 7 former Twins are in the AS game.

[harvey lee]

One can blame the front office for not paying enough to keep thier star players other than Joe.

Gardy can only do so much with medium at best players who make apot of mistakes.

You have always needed some horses to win and the Twins front office has decided they can do it with one horse.

I would send Joe down the road and try to get 2 good pitchers. They would do more to help the team win than just paying Joe big bucks.

If I were gardy, I would leave. Any coach who has any desire to win knows with the Twins ownership, not likely to happen unles they get darn lucky.

I believe as long as Pohland's are making money, they do not care how well the team does. People keep going to the games so they really do not feel the need to field a better team.

The Twin,s can hire a new coach, maybe the best out there but I see no difference in the end as Pohland's don't go after the better talent unless one can get them for pennies.

If they did let gardy go, good luck to the next one.

Gardy looks tired and wore out, maybe from the lack of talent or skilled players and all the mistakes. What coach would not be????

[aanderud]

I believe as long as Pohland's are making money, they do not care how well the team does. People keep going to the games so they really do not feel the need to field a better team.

I agree. I haven't been to a game in a couple of years and I won't go until they field a team worth watching (or if the tix are dang near free). Went once to the new stadium with my son, but the only game prior to that was the last playoff loss against the yankers at the dome (which was the last game ever at the dome).

As long as the stadium is full, the owner has no reason to spend any more on players, as there's no return on that investment.

[harvey lee]

Bro in law has had 6 season tickets for many years.

He was so disappointed with the Twins the last few years, he let his season tickets go.

He is a huge baseball fan and said I cannot pay that money for a team like the Twin's owners put on the field.

[greebs]

"the problem I see with gardy is that he's showing that he's not the kind of mgr that is going to develop the young talent."

A major league manager's job is not to develop the talent. That should have happened in the minor leagues.

"He's showing again this year just like last year that he's not great at getting the lesser talent to perform well and there are few signs of improvement."

You might want to consider that he is, maybe, getting more out of that lesser talent than most other major league managers would. If these guys come up and can't be put in a situation where they should succeed, then they are not ready for this level. Sometimes that is forced by circumstances such as injuries. Gibson is a good example. A lot of internet experts wanted him called up at the start of the year because he was a number one draft choice. He hadn't been consistently successful at triple-a. How is he supposed to be the answer at the major league level? Most of the teams in this league must develop that talent in the minors and work them through the system. Very few can afford to buy their wins, like the Yankees.

Big disagree on this. The roster has been young for 2.5 years now and team is basically with same record as last year and 2011. So a coaching staff job doesn't include making the players to improve and quit making rokie mistakes once they hit the majors? I agree on not buying wins like the Yankees but disagree that our players are improving. All those former twin all stars and others like lliriano and Balfour who have improved since leaving the twins seems to indicate that as well.

But that's what makes for good banter on these message boards. We all want a winning team but have different opinions on how that can occur. I still think if this were any other MLB organization we would have a new interim mgr and other coaches today.

[harvey lee]

Watched Gardy talk after the loss last night and I have never seen gardy so frustrated and bummed out. Gotta be tough to show up day after day and coach a team playoing like it is.

Just didn't seem like there was any fire left in him with the way the team is playing.

No clutch hits, poor base running and most of all, down on the starting pitching staff as they cannot seem to go 6 innings and have the Twins still in the game.

Soon, the bullpen will be worse than it is now as thier tank is running out.

Going to be a long 2nd half of the season for sure.

[Hoyt4]

Perkins will be gone soon with Morneau then Gardy will even have less to work with. Called this before the season maybe they will not lose the 101 games I said but it's going to be close.

[harvey lee]

I believe they will match last season loss's. Nothing to appear they will be any better and the pitching is wore out.

[smartguy]

I think most of us saw this coming when the new stadium was opened. Why spend the money on good players when the novelty effect still fills the seats?

[harvey lee]

I agree totally, we will not see a better team until the attendance goes down far enough that the owners are losing enough money.

[Dave S]

The Twins franchise is nothing more than the last step for players before they get into the Big Time.

The last blip of a Twins game I watched the announcers commented how Mauer was 0 for 17 during that home stand....then he hit a single.

[Rippinlip]

Second longest active tenured coach in MLB and NEVER has been out of the ALDS.

Yea, the last few years maybe the talent has been down, but in 11 years he has had talent and never capitalized on it.

Time for a change.

3 90+ losing seasons and how attractive is the Twins going to be to anyone?

I think it was 2006, Gardy had the MVP (Morneau), Batting Champ (Mauer), 19 game winner (Santana), 36 Saves (Nathan). Others; Tori Hunter, Jason Kubel, Jason Bartlett, Jesse Crain, Francisco Liriano and Brad Radke.

He has had his chances.

[JBMasterAngler]

Not that it really matters, but gardy did get the twins into the ALCS in his 1st season. But other than that, it's been almost a clean sweep out of the ALDS all the other times.

[Dave S]

Although I agree Gardy should be sent packing, it's not going to fix anything in the organization.

Rick Anderson also needs to go as does the training staff.

[PierBridge]

Quote:

The last blip of a Twins game I watched the announcers commented how Mauer was 0 for 17 during that home stand....then he hit a single.

I know it sucks having Mauer, who has the highest career batting average of ever-single player in the Majors, 1800 players currently playing...

Make no mistake this is Gardys last year.

We really haven't any reason until this point to fire any of our managers thus far as we have been pretty much the premier small market team in baseball consistantly for a long time.

Also I don't blame the stadium, the Pohlads or any of the other mythical excuses that are mentioned for our poor play again this year. I think its just the law of averages, luck catching up with us as it does and will continue to do for just about every pro sports team in the world today.

Go Twins~

[harvey lee]

Terry Ryan said the other day, Gardy is safe so to speak. Seems when the GM's states that people are safe, then they are gone shortly thereafter. Gone by next spring, heck he may quit trying to coach a medicore team at best.

You can let Gardy go but they still need quality players to win games.

I also agree Rick Anderson needs to go.

The Twins ownership keeps avg staff as they cost less. That's what Jim Pohland is all about. Does not matter if you win as long as u are making money. Gardy cannot change that nor can any other coach.

[Cicada]

"Second longest active tenured coach in MLB and NEVER has been out of the ALDS."

And, the longest tenured coach has been to the World Series once, only two years after he took over. With as little credit you give Gardenhire for the first few years of his stint, does Scioscia really rate any better?

[JBMasterAngler]

I think Scioscia should be fired too. With that payroll there's no excuse to be that bad (2 years in a row). But yeah, with some young guys on our team that have great potential, we need a manager to come in that can develop their talent even better.

[greebs]

"...We really haven't any reason until this point to fire any of our managers thus far as we have been pretty much the premier small market team in baseball consistantly for a long time."

Agree that twins could claim this title for many years but think St. Louis has got a firm grasp on that title now and Tampa bay has moved ahead of us as well as Oakland if they would be considered small market. Actually I've read a few times that twins now are more of a mid market labeled team which I suppose is very debatable.

Also agree that until now there wasn't a whole lot of reason to fire many personnel at all. Times they are a changing as someone once said.

And lastly, scioscia has had a very long leash considering the expectations over there and I'm surprised he's lasted that long.

[harvey lee]

I would guess Gardy or for that matter, any other coach could do well with the Twins if we could get back all the old Twins players we use to have that we have let go in the past 3-5 seasons that were in this years All Star Game.

But, if we could get them back, then we may need a new pitching and hitting coach. These players that left were not doing all that well with the Twins but after they left, all of a sudden, they are all stars.

makes one wonder why.

[B. Amish]

isn't gardy considered top 5 in baseball among managers by his peers? that says something. but, i agree that he's probably gone after this year. and if he goes, anderson goes.

who takes his spot is the question. molitor? bruno?

[RumRiverRat]

Fire Gardy and Cut Joe Mauer!

[Ybone]

Did Joe Mauer disrespect your sister or something? Even if they cut him they have to pay him.

[pinkfloyd4ever]

Souhan has a good article today about Gardy and Terry Ryan and makes some good points. That Ryan would have to admit that he put together a lousy team for Gardy to manage, for what its worth it seems like good points.