Upper Red outfitters

[Franswackel]

I did not post a review, but am disturbed that one that was posted recently was taken off without explanation.

[kelly-p]

Just so everyone knows I do not make those decisions on what gets deleted or not. Those decisions are made by people further up the chain of command then me. Seeing as I am in business on the lake I do not feel that it is right for me to decide what stays and goes so I have passed that responsibilty to other people that do not have a personal or business interest in URL.

I would guess that it was removed because it had become a "he said", "she said" situation. There are always 3 sides to every story. Your side, my side and somewhere in between there is the cold hard truth. I'm just glad that it was not our name mentioned because it was a tough weekend on the lake already. The bite slowing way down was the first blow and from it turned into a series of events that fit into the "You cann't make this stuff up!" Why would grown men shove their Buddy out of a moving truck to see how far he would slide on the ice? Why would you sneak around the lake turning the bottle gas tanks off on other people's houses "to be funny"? Why would you dump a keg of beer in the fishhouse because the tapper was not working? With the warm weather the pressure ridges moved a lot. There was a group of people worried about crossing the bridge but they had to get to shore so they were a little distressed. They felt better when it was explained to them that shore was 1/4 mile BEHIND THEM AND THAT THEY WERE ON THE SHORE SIDE OF THE BRIDGE. Then there was the guy in the dark last night that had gone out on Westwind's road but the bite was slow so he decided to go cross country to Roger's road. Then when he went to shore for bait he realized that he was at Hillman's on Highway #72. There he sat in the dark with no idea if his house was on Westwind's road or Roger's road or Hillman's road,,,, or someplace in between. It was a strange weekend and not even a full moon.

[BuckSutherland]

What I dont like is the "carcass dumping." If an outfitter knew it has happened in the past and has done nothing to contact the DNR about it they should be held accountable. I could fillet an 18-20" walleye off in under a minute and throw the carcass down the hole rendering it unmeasurable. Each one of those fish should have been a fine. I am sure the outfitter doesnt say anything cause he/she might lose a client for next year. In this case, the well-being of an outfitters checkbook comes before the long-term health of the lake and the rules.

[Random guy]

Oh don't worry Buck. I am Marcum staffer with a fleet of underwater cameras and they get used often. If we feel anything has been dumped in the lake that our family has called home for over a century the cameras go down first thing. If something is found two calls are made. Patsy will call the clients and inform them they are NEVER welcome back and are blacklisted. The second call goes into enforcement. The lake has fed my family for four generations I will be "darned" if somebody is going to disrespect that.

[Portavilla]

No one likes carcuss dumping and the problem with it is you don't know who did it for sure. Was it the guys that just left or was it the guys in the place that don't want get pinched and want to move. Most of the resorts have good fish cleaning facilities and we will help with carcuss as well. Like I tell everyone our number is on the door in 3" letters. Carcuss dumping is illegal but you can not just start accusing guys you have to catch them in the action. This should not happen but like speeding someone will do it again.

[Fishalittle]

Your last post is what makes your info so valuable and you and your dad one of the lakes best represenatives. Keep up the good work!

I do wish however that you could try to tell those walleyes to cooperate when I bring the family to visit!

[Random guy]

Carcuss dumping is illegal but you can not just start accusing guys you have to catch them in the action.

Our houses are often moved between clients so 80% of the time we have one group per spot. As for houses that stay on a spot we check holes between uses as part of the cleaning checklist. We normally know for sure who either dumps or tries to bury stuff in snow banks.

[DTro]

I really can’t say it any better than what Kelly did. There is nothing wrong with saying you might have had a sub par experience with a certain guide or outfitter, and I can only speak for myself but my understanding is that it doesn’t matter if the negativity is pointed towards a sponsor or not. We just don’t want that kind of stuff at HSO. The problem is that really gets out of hand when accusations start flying. There are many outlets these days to “get your voice heard” It turns into exactly what Kelly said, a “he said she said they said” thing.

Unfortunately there is a lot of competition in the fishing business and people will go to great lengths to slap a bad name on their competitor, and an “online negativity campaign” is one of the most popular. I am in no way saying that is the case here, but there is no way for us to know.

Here’s is something everyone needs to think about when it comes to bad reviews. People are (highly) more likely to let you know about bad things than good. For every bad experience you read about there are probably 100 good ones people don’t share. I can tell you this, if we as Admins start seeing a pattern of bad review after bad review after bad review, then it most certainly will be discussed as to the best avenue to share this information. But I can assure you this has not been the case with the outfitter that was originally mentioned.

It’s kind of sad to say, but I bet if fish were coming through hand over fist every rental on the lake would seem like the Ritz.

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[kelly-p]

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Each one of those fish should have been a fine. I am sure the outfitter doesnt say anything cause he/she might lose a client for next year.

We have some of the if the most strict "house rules" on the lake. One of those rules is that NOTHING is put in the fishing holes other then your hook, line and bait. It is that way both for the sake of the lake as well as the customers own fishing. If you are dumping your coffee, pop, beer or what ever in the holes you are putting a strange scent in the water and ruining your own fishing. If I stop by and check on a house and anything is laying in the fishing holes I suggest that they clean it up. When I check again and it is still there they are told to clean it up. If it is there on a third check my evil twin brother appears. None of us are more important then the Lake.

If we find that any fish parts or litter have been dumped down the holes

the people get a lifetime ban from our houses.