Guests - If You want access to member only forums on FM. You will gain access only when you Sign-in or Sign-Up on Fishing Minnesota.

It's easy - LOOK UPPER right menu.

  • Announcements

    • Rick

      Members Only Fluid Forum View   08/08/2017

      Fluid forum view allows members only to get right to the meat of this community; the topics. You can toggle between your preferred forum view just below to the left on the main forum entrance. You will see three icons. Try them out and see what you prefer.   Fluid view allows you, if you are a signed up member, to see the newest topic posts in either all forums (select none or all) or in just your favorite forums (select the ones you want to see when you come to Fishing Minnesota). It keeps and in real time with respect to Topic posts and lets YOU SELECT YOUR FAVORITE FORUMS. It can make things fun and easy. This is especially true for less experienced visitors raised on social media. If you, as a members want more specific topics, you can even select a single forum to view. Let us take a look at fluid view in action. We will then break it down and explain how it works in more detail.   The video shows the topic list and the forum filter box. As you can see, it is easy to change the topic list by changing the selected forums. This view replaces the traditional list of categories and forums.   Of course, members only can change the view to better suit your way of browsing.   You will notice a “grid” option. We have moved the grid forum theme setting into the main forum settings. This makes it an option for members only to choose. This screenshot also shows the removal of the forum breadcrumb in fluid view mode. Fluid view remembers your last forum selection so you don’t lose your place when you go back to the listing. The benefit of this feature is easy to see. It removes a potential barrier of entry for members only. It puts the spotlight on topics themselves, and not the hierarchical forum structure. You as a member will enjoy viewing many forums at once and switching between them without leaving the page. We hope that fluid view, the new functionality is an asset that you enjoy .

Recommended Posts

biff

Well, since they discontinued the chinook program, have been phasing out the lake trout stocking...anybody know what they are going to do with the money that used to go to the programs? More steelhead, looper stockings?...coasters?...anything? Just curious if anybody knows where our money is going confused.gif

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
upnorth

Its the govt, they don't know where our money is going. And if they did they sure wouldn't tell us tongue.gif

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
SFBOY

they just got a glimpse of a mountain lion north of floodwood awhile back on a trail camera. gotta set up a mangagement program for them now. that takes $'s and it is well worth it. seriously, we need to protect the 10 or 12 cougars that probably are in the state for.... well, i'm not quite sure what for. tongue.gif

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
JBMasterAngler

It SHOULD go to lamprey control...but what are the chances that'll happen?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Northlander

Should go to take care of all exotics and improve our boat landings.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Catfishunter

Hopefully they will pump the lake full of coasters and a couple steelhead. The money will probably go to another public access on a lake thats already got two, or studies on invasive species (VHS,carp or maybe a mussel) Anyways they won't use it like we want them to.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Surface Tension

Studies crazy.gifwink.giftongue.gif

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Northlander

Dont take any studies to know we have a Exotic problem and our landings are in need of repair.

Your right though studies seem to always be high on the list. Maybe they would pay me to do some intense walleye studies on Lake Superior? grin.gif

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Surface Tension

Steve, I think the exotics should be paid for with Federal and shipping dollars, and maybe they are, I don't know.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
shogun

It goes to the 5 incompetent more-ons down in St. Paul that have screwed up fishing and hunting in Minnesota for years.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Northlander

Frank it would sure be nice if the feds finally stepped up to the plate and did something financialy. Im sure whatever they do, if anything, will be a band aid and our Lake Superior and St. Louis River will get worse before better.

I think the exotic problem is the #1 threat to the big lake right now.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
matthothand

About a month ago I e-mailed numerous DNR offices asking for an answer to the same issue. I have yet to recieve a reply. I am not suprised. The creel survey guys never seem to know what's going on. Overall I am very unhappy (...trying to be nice) about the DNR's efforts to sustain or (heaven forbid) attempt to improve fishing on the greatest lake of all, Lake Superior. Good thing Lake Michigan is only 7 hours away!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
shogun

The reports that the DNR provides to the public on fish stocking, particularly numbers of kamloops stocked are made up. The actual numbers of fish they stock are WAY fewer than what they are telling you. So where is all that extra money going then? I'll give ya one guess.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8942jc

The only way Lake Superior anglers will get a better fisheries is if we forget our little differences.By that I mean trollers and stream fisherman sitting down without the local fisheries people.Friends and I attended 1 year of meetings with local groups and commercial fishermen and just plain interested people at the old UMD building.The end result was absolutely nothing. All they did was play one against the other.Frustrating YOU BET.The head of the hatchery has his own agenda and trust me were not part of it.If it wasn't for wi. ont. and mi. we wouldn't have had a nice catch of kings, cohos and even a few steelheads that ont. planted which had clipped adipose fin like our loopers.If we don't some how get together were going to lose even more if thats possible. The only raising the hatchery has done is their wages.Also when the people at the hatchery don't fish l.sup. how much interest do you think they take in their job.Enough said.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Catfishunter

I agree 100%. Welcome to the site 8942jc.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Scott M

Great first post 894. Gotta settle some differences among fisherman, no matter the type.

Truthfully not much for anglers among your management and staff up your way, which may or may not help your cause, although working with fish every day may dull your interest in dealing with them on your time off.

Couple points

* Creel numbers are made up. grin.gif

* Salmon stocking is ceased. There just isn't the spawning habitat for a viable population or the cost to benefit ratio is too outrageous to support minimal stocking success.

* All budgeting information is public record. You can request this information via email or stopping in with your local state or federal fisheries management office. Or don't bother looking up those numbers and email info@dnr.state.mn.us and request a complete budget for the trout and salmon program (your trout stamp dollars) or for lake superior or duluth fisheries. Then you can actually see (and not make assumption) if your money is going to flimsy research projects or to lakes with 2 public accesses.

* lamprey control is done by the feds. Lampreys don't find good juvenile habitat in MN north shore streams, so a lot of lamprey control isn't done here. It's much more cost efficient in other Great Lakes tribs or along the St. Lawrence Seaway.

* St. Paul is often thought of as a beaurocratic bloat, but only 5% of DNR Fisheries staff is made up of St. Paul employees.

* The creel guys probably won't be able to answer your questions. They will do their best or refer you to someone else who can answer your question. They collect information and don't dispense it generally speaking.

The post isn't to rag on anyone in particular, but I think if one wants straight answers they should go directly to the source, even if that path has a couple stops along the way. Superior has some of the best Lake Trout and Steelhead fishing, not to mention underlooked walleyes, in the Great lakes, but no matter someone will be unhappy and want Michigan's salmon or Erie's walleyes, or you name it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Surface Tension

da_chise31, thanks for that perspective.

Being a native to the area there is a perception that or fisheries aren't in touch with what anglers want.

We see Canada and neighboring states doing what our DNR refuses to do. That alone leaves the average guy wondering.

We get scientific reasons why the lake can't do this and can't do that. Then theres that other answer our fisheries throws out there. It costs too much. Still we see neighboring states and Canada are successfully stocking fish in Superior.

Our fisheries has a hard stance that the lake be reverted back to self sustaining lake trout and herring. That any exotic fish will interfere with the lakes natural order. Still we see our neighbors stocking fish.

We have the smelt that will never go away, my prediction was they will be increasing in numbers. How will that play into those plans?

Like a child that wants that toy in the store, we'll make up ten reasons why they can't have it but fail to say the real reason why. Its costs too much, we don't think theres a good return, they compete with native fish, our rivers aren't good enough, yada, yada, yada. Why can our neighbors have a successful stocking program and we can't we ask.

It comes down to our fisheries want lake trout and herring and will give you data and excuses to back up why it won't work. Its a can't do attitude while Canada WI and MI have a can do attitude.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Surface Tension

I'll further this.

Back when you DNR was created, it was in the notion that is was to be a representative and work for and answer to sportsmen. I believe first objectives were to stock fish and create management of fish and game. Fast forward to today.

Some feel the DNR to has lost touch with those first intension's, that they, the DNR work for the Sportsman. Its fair to say that some Sportsmen feel the DNR to be top heavy and that top heaviness wastes money that was intended to be used to directly to fund fish & game. We see your license fees thrown into a general fund that is used for purposes it originally wasn't intended.

When we see stocking programs getting scraped because there isn't money, we wonder if maybe the DNR needs to reduce that top heaviness instead of what its initial purpose was.

So no Chinook Stocking program, one would conclude that besides the money saved from the direct cost of not stocking there be 10 times that saved in indirect costs.

So the question whats being done with that money is a valid one. We'd hope that it go back directly into Superior instead of being absorbed by the big DNR machine.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
SFBOY

why not work with wisconsin on this matter. they have started to reduce the chinook stocking numbers some in lake michigan over the last few years and probably have unused capacity in their hatchery system. i know there are lots of fish that never get used that come up the creek to the harvesting pond in Sturgeon Bay. you would think that they could get together with wisconsin and come up with a decent price and amount of fish to stock in Superior and go with it. minnesota doesnt need to start their own hatcheries when there are some out there operating at less than 100% right next door. i think they refer to that as outsourcing.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Fisher_Johnson

Lake Michigan fish can't be used for Superior due to VHS. At least that's what I was told by a member of the local fishing club that has stocked Chinooks that last few years. I was told that the club Chinook stocking will end because their fish came from Lake MI. Wisconsin has a hatchery in Bayfield and Iron River, plus a tribal hatchery in Red Cliff. I would think that salmon rearing would be possible, if they could get eggs not from Lake MI.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Surface Tension

Got to watch what you introduce from outside sources. Bacterial kidney disease was/is a big threat in hatchery raised salmon.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
upnorth

The DNR can say what the want to about $$ but the Chinook is planted as fry, which means hardly any time or expense in the hatchery. It is probably one of the cheapest fish there is to plant. I personally think the DNR caved to the Steelhead assoc in there drive to bring back the native steelhead and sunsetted the rest of the plantings.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
andrew chadwick

Quote:

The DNR can say what the want to about $$ but the Chinook is planted as fry, which means hardly any time or expense in the hatchery. It is probably one of the cheapest fish there is to plant. I personally think the DNR caved to the Steelhead assoc in there drive to bring back the native steelhead and sunsetted the rest of the plantings.


those steelhead arent native either...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
upnorth

True enough, but they have been around for a while and are talked about like they are.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Fisher_Johnson

Please explain why chinook are less expensive to stock. Is it because they are released at a younger age than other fish?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
Sign in to follow this  



  • Posts

    • Chill62
      WARNING a buddy was on  MELISSA and was aiming towards the crappie hole in the NE Corner/First break to fish out there last night.  He was checking ice and was having 10" of ice then hit 3"!  Please be careful out there.  Needless to say he turned around and went back to the access.
    • JTeeth
      Best use I can think of for a selfie stick. Great fish. 
    • Rick G
      I will second what Icehawk said.... some good lakes around you. Briggs chain is close, some very nice fish in that system. I tend to fish fairly shallow(under 10ft) most of the time 6-8 right in or on the edge of the weeds for the gills.
    • Rick G
      Eyeguy and I are going to be out today if you would like to hook up for a bit... #320 2675909,  shoot me a text
    • Holy carp
      6in on O’Dowd- fish are biting to
    • HoleHoppingGills
      Looking for some folks in the area. Have you guys ever fished Borden lake near Garrison? I fished Maple lake last week with a lot of small crappie caught.  I let them all go, biggest was 9". Fished few lakes in that area with no luck. Even went to my little honey home with little succes Looking take the GF out tomorrow morning.  Any ideas? Seen someone posted about crappie in Pearl. 
    • HoleHoppingGills
      I was out last Sunday and there was solid 3.5 black ice. It's been s week now so guessing around 6 inches in northeast bay.  All crappie I caught were small besides on 9 incher I let go. 
    • MinDak Hunter
      Pearl Lake has been lights out for crappies in that 10+ inch range this year, finally,  find 13-16 fow and then drill holes until you see suspended fish. When you find them I like a 1/10oz. Swedish pimple (silver/glow) with 2 waxies, keep it above the fish and they’ll come up for it.
    • Croix1959
      I heard reports Friday of 3-5 inches out of Bayport. 
    • matt320
      I'm on vacation until January 2nd if anyone wants to meet up and go fishing let me know I've got all my own gear 95% of the time I fish alone. Willing to drive anywhere or help with gas or what ever. Going to try a local lake in the morning for some eyes and panfish unless someone has any other suggestions. Mostly a CPR guy but it's also nice to occasionally bring some home for the family.