Guests - If You want access to member only forums on FM. You will gain access only when you Sign-in or Sign-Up on Fishing Minnesota.

It's easy - LOOK UPPER right menu.

  • RECEIVE THE GIFTS MEMBERS SHARE WITH YOU HERE...THEN...CREATE SOMETHING TO ENCHANT OTHERS THAT YOU WANT TO SHARE

    You know what we all love...

    When you enchant people, you fill them with delight and yourself in return. Have Fun!!!

Sign in to follow this  
lawdog

Triple 7 -- 209 Primers

Recommended Posts

lawdog

I bought some of these yesterday to try out. Have heard lots of good things about the cleanliness, but wondering if anyone has noticed any difference in performance or if its changed where your gun shoots at all? Thinking it possibly could with a different burn rate/temp. Obviously I'll shoot it at the range before I use them, but just wondering if anybody has any experience with these new primers?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Moose-Hunter

Quote:

I bought some of these yesterday to try out. Have heard lots of good things about the cleanliness...


Let's face it... Muzzleloaders are dirty guns any way you slice it. I found the T7, 209 primers to be just a bit cleaner than others, but not by much.

Quote:

any difference in performance or if its changed where your gun shoots at all?


I have noticed no difference in performance with these or any other 209 primers. However, my buddy, who recently converted his 70ML from #11 caps over to the 209 primers has seen an increase in both accuracy and performance. Tighter, more consistant grouping as well as having his gun slightly cleaner.

Some even consider the 209 primers as being "too powerful" and say there is a possibility of "unseating" your load. Meaning when the primer ignites, it pushes the charge and projectile up a bit before completely igniting the charge. Some folks have even gone so far as to convert their ML's over to fire .25ACP cases/primers or trimmed down .22 Hornet cases/primers insyead of the 209's. To me, going these steps seems to be a bit over board. You'd litterally be reloading your primers. I may try this type of conversion some time in the future as it does sound sort of interesting. But for now.... I'll stick with my 777, 209 primers and make some smoke!! grin.gif

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Jim916

Are you talking about the Winchester triple 7 209 primers?

I bought them when I bought my gun last week and I shot them this weekend. I did have a problem with 3 misfires, but it could be user error. It was my first time ever shooting a muzzleloader.

When I had a misfire, I would replace the primer and it would work. I was thinking I might have got some moisture in the breech plug as I did my cleaning between shots.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
xedge2002

Jim - when I am out shooting my muzzleloader, I will shoot off a primer after cleaning it(primer only no powder). That way it should dry it out and if any crud got pushed into the firing hole it will blow it out.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
delmuts

hmm! i switched my daughters' 50 over to triple seven powder , and i use the 209 primers. had no problems. the T-7 was cleaner to use than pyrodex. accuracy ? very little difference. i also fire two caps thru the gun before loading it.no miss fires on the range or when my daughter shot two does! del

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
lawdog

Yes I was talking about Winchester Triple 7 209's. I think the idea was they are a little less hot than a regular 209 and they are supposed to eliminate a burnt "ring" that some guys were getting with Triple 7 at the ignition site. I've not seen it in my gun but hey I'm always up for a new gimmick...

I too agree, Triple 7 is WAY cleaner than Pyrodex and it stinks much less too! Regardless what you shoot though, these babies need TLC all the time...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
leechlake

Lawdog, I tried them last year and I was skeptical but they actually worked. In my knight I got the "ring" thing, even when I used a hose to shoot water down the barrel I had to scrub a bit (not too much but a bit), they winchester primers with the less heat nearly eliminated it. I can't tell if the gun shot better groups but it was a bit easier to clean and as much of a pain in the rear cleaning a blackpowder is anything helps.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
DRH1175

I use the Rem Klean bore ML primers. I like how they perform They seem clean and make good smoke. Don't see a reason to change and they are pretty cheap anyways at $4 for 100. I like them.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
Sign in to follow this  



  • Your Responses - Share & Have Fun :)

    • LakeofthewoodsMN
      South Shore.  A good bite was reported for last week with the warmer temperatures in 24-32'. In addition to traditional daytime bite, some anglers getting into some good fish after dark on structure which is not typical. Morning evening bite in 15-17' for walleyes continues to be good.  Resorts and outfitters keeping ice roads in good shape as warm weather moving around ice. One two punch of jigging line and dead stick effective as is the use of electronics to mark fish. Jigging spoons in gold, glow, glow red and pink UV.  Small rippin raps in bright and gold colors. Auger extension could be necessary in spots where ice is layered.  Snowmobilers stay on marked trail, big ice chunks off of trail.   Rainy River pushing out some nice walleyes with an occasional sturgeon through the ice.  Fish houses along the snowmobile trail from Wheeler's Point to Baudette Bay.  Morning, evening bite most effective.   The NW Angle has good ice conditions where resorts have ice roads / trails and fishing has remained hot. Good walleyes in 18-28' with saugers and perch in deeper water. Set dead stick a bit higher than jigging line.  Resorts guiding for crappies on the Ontario side of lake, best bite in 30' or deeper, morning best. Crappie mortality rate high when releasing in 25' or deeper thus move on to walleyes or another species when you have your fish.  Snowmobile trails on and around the lake are marked and groomed.  
    • FishinCT
      Jerkin, you are absolutely onto something. Back when I used to put a permanent out in the south metro, I made sure to fish as many weekdays as possible. Weekends were always worthless, no matter the conditions. Luckily vermilion is big enough to get away from it all!
    • Cliff Wagenbach
      Darrell, Nothing in the area that I have been traveling. Cliff
    • IceHawk
      That's a pretty one! Nice fish Rick 
    • Darrell Larson
      Clifford, how is the slush out there? I have slush in front of my home and looking at sled tracks they are turning color also.
    • eyeguy 54
      got a 14 incher on the way to try out next week. should be nice not bending over so far.   no crazy comments leech!  LOL 
    • nofishfisherman
      Used mine for the first time this weekend and I don't think I've ever used a better cutting auger.  Even my wife wanted to take a turn after seeing me use it and she's never used an auger of any type before.  We had maybe 18" of ice (just a guess, didn't measure it ) and I cleared the shavings a couple times with just a quick pull up at it worked slick. 
    • Sunset Lodge
      1.22.18 Sunset Lodge Fishing Report Hello from the NW Angle! Minnesota walleye fishing has been consistent between 18-21 feet. The most effective method is on the dead stick set slightly above the jigging rod. 25-28 feet is also filling buckets with a good walleye and sauger mix, even the occasional jumbo perch. Slender and Tundra spoons have been bringing fish to the house. We have also seen numerous northern pike this week with the largest being over 42.” Canadian walleye fishing remain excellent, especially along points and reefs. Crappie action has been hit or miss. The bite has been better in the morning with anglers limiting out in the first few hours. Fishing deeper than 28 feet is important to get good action. Until next week, Sunset Lodge
    • Chill62
      Moved house on Friday night in the dark.  Got holes drilled and let aired out.  Came back out after supper to fish for crappies.  Only small ones but had some action.  Got up early on Saturday and tried chasing tuilibee's and struck out.  Graphed a few but not a bite.  Switched back to the house around 8:30/9.  Buddies were near the house and had one crappie in the bucket.  Five of us fished till 11:30 without a crappie being bigger than 9".  Went back out after lunch fished till supper and nothing.  Came out again after supper got a 14" and 12.5" in 5 minutes and not a fish after that.  Sunday fished from 7 am till 11 nothing bigger than a 8" crappie.  Fished 3 hours Friday, 12 hours Saturday, 4.5 hours Sunday with only 2 crappies over 10".  Pretty sad but heard a ton of poor reports all over the area.
    • aczr2k
      Fished long point sat/sun morning... It was bad.  Had some friends fishing out of Borderview it was slow over there as well.  Tried all the colors.  Not very aggressive on the ones we did catch.  Had heard fishing was good of course on the days before sat.
  • Share & Have Fun