Guests - If You want access to member only forums on FM. You will gain access only when you Sign-in or Sign-Up on Fishing Minnesota.

It's easy - LOOK UPPER right menu.

  • Announcements

    • Rick

      Members Only Fluid Forum View   08/08/2017

      Fluid forum view allows members only to get right to the meat of this community; the topics. You can toggle between your preferred forum view just below to the left on the main forum entrance. You will see three icons. Try them out and see what you prefer.   Fluid view allows you, if you are a signed up member, to see the newest topic posts in either all forums (select none or all) or in just your favorite forums (select the ones you want to see when you come to Fishing Minnesota). It keeps and in real time with respect to Topic posts and lets YOU SELECT YOUR FAVORITE FORUMS. It can make things fun and easy. This is especially true for less experienced visitors raised on social media. If you, as a members want more specific topics, you can even select a single forum to view. Let us take a look at fluid view in action. We will then break it down and explain how it works in more detail.   The video shows the topic list and the forum filter box. As you can see, it is easy to change the topic list by changing the selected forums. This view replaces the traditional list of categories and forums.   Of course, members only can change the view to better suit your way of browsing.   You will notice a “grid” option. We have moved the grid forum theme setting into the main forum settings. This makes it an option for members only to choose. This screenshot also shows the removal of the forum breadcrumb in fluid view mode. Fluid view remembers your last forum selection so you don’t lose your place when you go back to the listing. The benefit of this feature is easy to see. It removes a potential barrier of entry for members only. It puts the spotlight on topics themselves, and not the hierarchical forum structure. You as a member will enjoy viewing many forums at once and switching between them without leaving the page. We hope that fluid view, the new functionality is an asset that you enjoy .
Sign in to follow this  
Hookmaster

Soft-shooting 20 gauge

Recommended Posts

Hookmaster    6
Hookmaster

What is a soft shooting 20 guage for a youngster getting in to hunting? I assume I'm looking at a gas auto or can most handle the youth pump?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Ufatz    0
Ufatz

Of course it depends somewhat on the age of the kid, but all things being equal any youngster of reasonable size and build should be able to handle a .20 guage. And frankly, if you take your time with them, they'll do okay with a .12 guage too and you can skip the "intermediate" .20 guage phase. On the other hand, I now do most of my shooting with a .20 guage, so the kid may never get beyond it, given the loads etc. available today.

Remington just came out with a dandy double gun. Check it out. Skip them rattely clanky ol' pumpers and gas blasters. grin.gif

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
charliepete2    0
charliepete2

Remington 1100's and Beretta 390's (or any Beretta gas gun) are very light shooters. One thing to consider is that when learning to shoot a semi auto is a dangerous tool. I'd give them one shell at a time until they are 100 percent reliable with muzzle control and putting the safety back on.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Hookmaster    6
Hookmaster

He'll be 12 this month. He's built like most his age, skin and bones. He'll be getting one shell to start with until he shows he can control the gun properly even if he shoots a pump.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
huntmup    0
huntmup

I went with a BENELLI M2 comfortech 20 gauge for our two grandsons. What a gun. I just love it. It's light, a good fit and it comes up OHHHH SOOOOO sweet. I will be using it for upland this fall in place of my M1-12 gauge grin.gif.

The grandsons also liked shooting it, but they had to head back home to Seattle, Washington frown.giffrown.gif.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
brittman    0
brittman

Purchased a Browning micro 20 ga for my 12 year old this spring.

The pump mechanism really is smooth. Gun has a nice balance and weight is not too light. Light guns kick more. He handled turkey mag loads fine.

The dealer tried to sell us an adult gun - because he would grow out of it so quickly. Well this gun will be one fine ruff grouse gun and/or will fit my petite daughter when she reaches 12 or 13.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
DrKen    0
DrKen

Several things affect "felt recoil". It is most important to get a gun that fits. Many manufacturers make youth size guns that also can be converted to adult guns by changing the stock later. Secondly, the recoil pad can be changes to a better one or a recoil reducer installed. Third, use light low base loads for practice. Lastly, studies have shown that flinch is usually a result of the noise rather than true recoil so always use ear protection. At age 11 when I started I used both a 20 guage and a 12 guage and the recoil never was a problem and I was just skin and bones too. Hope this helps.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
slotlimit    0
slotlimit

I thaught 20 gauges only came in pink? Add 1 year to any boy's age that starts shooting a 20 gauge and that will be the length of time that they are no longer satisfied and will want a 12 gauge.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Rotwieler    0
Rotwieler

most of the recoil comes from how heavy the load is. there is a felt difference between a 1 3/8 oz game load compaired to a 7/8 trap load. recoil pads are next. i dont think there is much difference between my Rem 870 and benelli M1 super 90. it just feels like the recoil is spread out a split second longer with the auto. they both still seem to push equally. also the heavier the gun the less recoil there is. so if he is big enough id get an adult model.

just make sure he wants to use whatever you get.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
firebug    0
firebug

say the TriStars are light weight and very affordable. They come with a 5yr. warranty and the won't brake the bank account either.about $310.00 for a semi-auto

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Hookmaster    6
Hookmaster

I bought him a Mossberg 500 Bantam. I didn't get the 505 or the Super Bantam since they are 1 1/4 pounds lighter which would transmit more recoil. Took him out to shoot and he didn't want to because of the perceived recoil. I didn't push it ans said OK we'll try again later. Got a cheap kid's blaze orange vest and put a gel insole on with a grommet kit for an extra recoil pad. Last night he shot it for the first time and said it didn't kick as much as he thought it would. He went through 3 boxes of shells and hit about 15 clays. For his first time shooting he did well. He's pumped for the youth waterfowl opener on Saturday. So am I.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
NELS-BELLS    36
NELS-BELLS

My 12 year old daughter just got her HSCert and I was thinking about getting a 20 ga that she could use until she is old enough and has enough money saved up to buy her own gun. I figured by then my 9 year old son would be ready to use it and after that maybe my wife could use it. Only problem is my daughter shoots right handed and he is a lefty. So I was thinking about getting a Browning BPS because of the bottom eject. Any thoughts on whether that is a reliable gun or not? Are there any other good bottom eject guns out there?

Nels

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Harmonica Bear    0
Harmonica Bear

I hunt almost exclusively with a Browning BPS 20 gauge field special. I've been using it over twenty years. English stock (straight, no pistol grip), 22 inch barrel, Hi ventilated rib. It is a great gun. The only issue there is, is the tendency to short stroke when using a 3 inch shell. If you have been shooting a lot 2 3/4 shells when moving to the 3 you can sometimes not pull the pump back far enough. The shell ejects and clears, but the new shell doesn't chamber. The bottom eject vs. side eject controversy. If the gun is properly cleaned and oiled this pretty much a non-issue and like I said it the only thing issue I've encountered. The gun is fantastic IMHO. I have 1100's, a-5s, etc., but that is the gun I use unless I am hunting Geese or Turkey. And I have shot geese with it duck hunting too, but I wouldn’t recommend a 20 if geese were primary goal.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
gspman    0
gspman

For a soft shooter stick with a gas operated autoloader. The generally accepted most reliable gas gun is the Beretta 391 and it is a soft shooter. If it were me and the gun fit my youngster right that is what I'd get.

As far as lefty or righty. I am a lefty and shoot a Beretta AL391 which is a right side eject gun. I have had no problems with the ejection and think that it is mostly a myth. Having said that I recommend using protective eyewear for everyone. Safety glasses are cheap and your eyes are priceless.

Starting a kid with an autoloader is a little bit sticky so use common sense with it. One shell at a time until all safety habits become just that, habits. Then they can use multiple shells.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
NELS-BELLS    36
NELS-BELLS

Thanks for replies and I will check out the Beretta 391. I suppose this is going to be one of those $1000+ guns. The good news is it will still be my gun when its all said and done. wink.gif

Nels

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
SledNeck    4
SledNeck

Quote:

I thaught 20 gauges only came in pink? Add 1 year to any boy's age that starts shooting a 20 gauge and that will be the length of time that they are no longer satisfied and will want a 12 gauge.


My son started hunting with a rem 870 youth 20 ga. last year at age 8. He still is happy with the gun after a few rounds of pre-season target busting. The recoil doesnt seem to bother him at all (he's 90lbs), so I highly doubt it would be troublesome to a 12 year old.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
TrophyEyes    0
TrophyEyes

I have a son being born in the next 3 weeks and I saw a deal on a new Remmington 870 youth 20 ga. for $229. I know it is a little early to start, but that was one heck of a deal. It was at Gander Mtn. this weekend, when you use the Gander Mtn. Master card. It probably won't get much cheaper.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
fishinalot    0
fishinalot

I went with the 870 Remington for both my sons when they were 11. I did not go with the youth because it is a little shorter and they would outgrow it too fast. This way they can use it yet when they are adults.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Hookmaster    6
Hookmaster

My son got 3 ducks on the Youth Waterfowl Opener. He said he didn't notice the recoil at all. That is what I told him to begin with but kid's never listen to experience. The size of the youth stock is right for him. A regular stock would be too long.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Dave    3
Dave

My sons are happy with their Mossberg 500 20-gauge pumps. Got the combo model (field and rifled barrels) for under $300 each.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
MikeYager - Suzuki    0
MikeYager - Suzuki

Gas auto probably the softest but personally I would stear clear of an auto for a beginner. I think they are too dangerous for rookies. My opinion. I think kids should start with single shot 20 ga. That was the rule in my family. Starting off with a single shot develops your skill so you settle down and make the first shot count instead of the 2nd, 3rd, etc. A bad habit I have deveoped as an adult. Also if your kid is going to be a life long hunter then the gun you give him/her should be their property forever. The pride a kid has knowing it is their gun can only help in the way they handle it and respect it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Hookmaster    6
Hookmaster

The only thing I don't like about the single shot 20 gauges is the hammer. I remember the one I shot as being quite difficult to cock. The Mossberg 500 Bantams come with a plug that doesn't allow any shells in the magazine. You can trim it later to only hold two shells in the magazine.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
Sign in to follow this  



  • Posts

    • curt quesnell
        Fall is very nearby and things are going the way they should.  Fishing is good, it is too windy and the water is cooling down quickly.....On this weeks report and important bit on our very own Aquatic Invasive Species......Enjoy it!  
    • Wanderer
      That's understandable given how you use the back reel technique.  I haven't used it the same way. Most of my trolling is done with baitcasters or levelwinds with counters.  The jigging part I hadn't considered before. "David, have you ever parred with a 7 iron?" "Well, Roy, it never occurred to me to even try." 
    • Rick
      An independent laboratory has confirmed zebra mussel larvae in Garfield Lake in Hubbard County. The lab provided photos of two zebra mussel larvae, called veligers, found in a water sample taken from the lake. Property owners on Garfield Lake hired the lab as part of their own monitoring. Invasive species specialists from the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources found no zebra mussels in the lake during a six-hour dive survey. Garfield Lake will be added to the Infested Waters List for zebra mussels, with the provision that it may be removed from the list if future surveys continue to show no zebra mussels in the lake. Whether or not a lake is listed as infested, Minnesota law requires boaters and anglers to: Clean watercraft of aquatic plants and prohibited invasive species, Drain all water by removing drain plugs and keeping them out during transport, and Dispose of unwanted bait in the trash. Some invasive species are small and difficult to see at the access. To remove or kill them, take one or more of the following precautions before moving to another waterbody, especially after leaving infested waters: Spray with high-pressure water. Rinse with very hot water (120 degrees Fahrenheit for at least two minutes or 140 degrees Fahrenheit for at least 10 seconds). Dry for at least five days. As boat owners begin taking boats and equipment out of the water for the season, the DNR reminds them to carefully check for aquatic invasive species and contact the DNR with any suspected new infestations. Look on the posts, wheels and underwater support bars of docks and lifts, as well as any parts of boats, pontoons and rafts that may have been submerged in water for an extended period. Minnesota law requires that docks and lifts be allowed to dry for at least 21 days before being placed in another body of water, whether aquatic invasive species are present or not. People should contact an area DNR aquatic invasive species specialist if they think they have found zebra mussels or any other invasive species that has not already been confirmed in a lake. More information is available at www.mndnr.gov/AIS. Discuss below - to view set the hook here.
    • Rick
      City may apply for DNR pilot project treatment The Minnesota Department of Natural Resources has confirmed zebra mussels in Lake Marion, in the city of Lakeville, in Dakota County. Five adult zebra mussels were found at the public access by a lake consulting business, as part of an early detection monitoring program conducted for the city of Lakeville. The city may apply for a pilot project treatment after a more thorough search of the lake is completed. As boat owners begin taking boats and equipment out of the water for the season, the DNR reminds them to carefully check for aquatic invasive species and contact the DNR with any suspected new infestations. Look on the posts, wheels and underwater support bars of docks and lifts, as well as any parts of boats, pontoons and rafts that may have been submerged in water for an extended period. Minnesota law requires that docks and lifts be allowed to dry for at least 21 days before being placed in another body of water, whether aquatic invasive species are present or not. Minnesota law requires boaters and anglers to: Clean watercraft of aquatic plants and prohibited invasive species. Drain all water by removing drain plugs and keeping them out during transport, and Dispose of unwanted bait in the trash. Some invasive species are small and difficult to see at the access. To remove or kill them, take one or more of the following precautions before moving to another waterbody, especially after leaving infested waters: Spray with high-pressure water. Rinse with very hot water (120 degrees Fahrenheit for at least two minutes or 140 degrees Fahrenheit for at least 10 seconds). Dry for at least five days. People should contact an area DNR aquatic invasive species specialist if they think they have found zebra mussels or any other invasive species that has not already been confirmed in a lake. More information is available at www.mndnr.gov/AIS. Discuss below - to view set the hook here.
    • Rick
      Extensive multi-agency search showed no other zebra mussels The Minnesota Department of Natural Resources has confirmed that a single zebra mussel was removed from Lake Harriet in Minneapolis. Minneapolis Park and Recreation Board (MPRB) staff reported one adult zebra mussel on a boat cover recovered from the bottom of the lake. No additional zebra mussels were found during 67 hours of diving, snorkeling and wading searches involving the Minnehaha Creek Watershed District, MPRB, two MPRB contractors and the DNR. Lake Harriet will be added to the Infested Waters List for zebra mussels, with the provision that it may be removed from the list if future surveys continue to show no zebra mussels in the lake. “We’re grateful that no zebra mussels were found during the extensive dive, snorkel and wading search of Lake Harriet,” said Heidi Wolf, DNR invasive species unit supervisor. “Strong partnerships and interagency cooperation are key, and we thank the Minneapolis Park and Recreation Board and the Minnehaha Creek Watershed District for their ongoing efforts. “While we regret that Lake Harriet will be added to the Infested Waters List because one zebra mussel was confirmed, we’re hopeful that the lake may be removed from the list if future searches continue to show no zebra mussels in the lake,” Wolf said. DNR invasive species specialist Keegan Lund said Lake Harriet will be carefully monitored the rest of this season and next year, but no treatment is necessary at this time. Lund said individual zebra mussels sometimes die after they are brought into a new lake, before they become established. “There is a common misperception that zebra mussels are everywhere and that their spread is inevitable. The reality is, of Minnesota’s 11,842 lakes, fewer than 250, about 1.8 percent, are listed as infested with zebra mussels. More Minnesotans than ever before are following our state’s invasive species laws,” Lund said. “People spread zebra mussels, and people can prevent their spread.” Whether or not a lake is listed as infested, Minnesota law requires boaters and anglers to: Clean watercraft of aquatic plants and prohibited invasive species. Drain all water by removing drain plugs and keeping them out during transport, and Dispose of unwanted bait in the trash. Some invasive species are small and difficult to see at the access. To remove or kill them, take one or more of the following precautions before moving to another waterbody, especially after leaving infested waters: Spray with high-pressure water. Rinse with very hot water (120 degrees Fahrenheit for at least two minutes or 140 degrees Fahrenheit for at least 10 seconds). Dry for at least five days. People should contact an area DNR aquatic invasive species specialist if they think they have found zebra mussels or any other invasive species that has not already been confirmed in a lake. More information is available at www.mndnr.gov/AIS. Discuss below - to view set the hook here.
    • Meterman
      I fish the big water of Minnesota side of Lake of the Woods almost exclusively and purchased my boat with what I will call "truck suspension" shock absorbing seats at the helm (first row).   In the waves of LOW, these will bottom out and your back still takes a pounding.   I am planning to replace the helm seats (will need seats, pedestal and base) with one of the above mentioned shock absorbing pedestals next spring.   My boat does have high sides so will need a taller pedestal. Looking for others to comment on their experiences with these.   Thanks.
    • Meterman
      I have typically used the back reeling feature more for letting out line when trolling or jigging.   When fighting a fish, I let the drag take care of business.   I guess it is just a pain to now get used to no back reeling on a new reel . . . may have to switch to another brand?
    • JBMasterAngler
      Well, fishing wasn't very good. But the weather certainly didn't help. Fished caribou the first day, marked lots of cisco and lakers, but no bites. Planned on bluewater on Monday, but because of the wind, we took the channel to trout instead. Caught several nice bluegills and a 30 inch pike. No lakers, but I did get stuck in weeds in 35 ft of water, never had that happen before. Was going to launch at same access on wabana on Tuesday, and go to bluewater, but wind was even worse. We took a drive and went up to Larson lake. Lost a nice pike, but nothing else. Thought for sure I'd at least catch 1 splake! Survived the storm that night. Stopped at pokegama on way home and fished for a couple hours. Lost a muskie, and had a big pike break my line. My son was really excited to catch his first rock bass. It would be nice to come back someday, but it might be awhile. Caribou could be good in the winter, maybe. Oh well. Final camping trip of the year is in the books!
    • BSLNORTH
    • BSLNORTH
      Hi, I am selling my 2012 Polaris Ranger 800 XP camo. Very low miles, 1200. Full hard cab, flip out glass windshield, windshield wiper, almost like new still. Great for ice fishing, hunting and work around the house.  I also have this ad on C.L.  10,000 b/0 text me for pics, thanks.  I am located in west metro 763-two34-0837